What follows is a long exchange that took place on Facebook during my NYC gallery/museum crawl. It all started with my status: "J.T. is we clearly took a step backward with Johns and Rauschenburg." It was posted as I was working my way through MoMA. The participants here are Chris Rywalt, Mark Cameron Boyd, Jeffry Cudlin and me. This transcript is posted with the authors' permission. Feel free to join in!
J.T. is we clearly took a step backward with Johns and Rauschenburg.
Mark Cameron Boyd - This you are correct on: Pop, being anti-Greenbergian, is clearly suspect in the critical hierarchy...not that I believed everything Clem wrote.
Jeffry Cudlin - Wait...is today opposite day? ;)
J.T. - Not sure about opposite day, but going from the AbEx rooms to the Pop rooms certainly leaves me feeling deflated.
JC - Maybe it depends which abexers you're talking about...but I'll take a combine or a target over a zip painting any day.
J.T. - Not this guy! Give me Rothko, pollock, Newman, etc, any day of the week.
JC - I don't know...I guess I have a thing for anti-painterly painting.
J.T. - Wait a sec, what YOUR painting? :)
CR - MCB, I'm surprised at your misreading of the critical hierarchy. Hasn't Greenberg on the outs for forty years?
I felt exactly the way you did, JT, when I followed that same path. It's like watching the death of sincerity in painting.
JC - I would have to say I'm a recovering painter. And I'm not particularly interested in sincerity, either.
CR - Sincerity all by itself doesn't count for much. But it's better than irony, which I am sick to death of.
J.T. - Fair 'nuf
JC - Okay, as for irony, I definitely don't need art to wink at me knowingly, either. ;) I want art to create some kind of condition of transparency, which isn't the same thing as sincerity. If that makes any sense.
I think this conversation needs to happen somewhere other than a fb comment thread.
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