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Thursday, December 08, 2005

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" If today is X, and an artist makes X, why should I care? I can see X outside my window, on tv, on the radio, on the internet, etc. Give me Y instead. Why reflect today when today will be over in about 12 hours? Why not try to reflect tomorrow? Because it's hard and risky, that's why. "

Great point J.T. So much contemporary stuff is about passive reflecting or "referencing" without any thought of transformation in any way.

I heard a few "Thats cool!" or "thats wild!" comments at Art Baz last weekend. I got a kick out of it. I think that it is mostly an innabilty to use any other words or ideas. Again, it comes from this attitude that art is only to be looked at and not thought through also (note I say "also")

When it comes to installation art, I find myself also more attracted to work that seems more "precise" or "quiet" in its presentation. Artwork by Tony Feher comes to mind, as well as Sze and Washburn. But i can also appreciate the sort of "pathetic asthetic" of Thomas Hirschhorn. Someone in between these two poles perhaps would be a Tomoko Takahashi.

I understand what you are saying but I as a teacher I can also understand the danger in just being focused on "beauty" (what is that?) Let me try to be precise. What I mean is that I find the search for beauty a worthwile (perhaps the most worthwhile) endeavor for a creative person. But along with that is an expansion of what "beauty" means. I can say that what I once thought ugly ten years ago I now find beautiful. And yes some of that realization has developed through an intellectual (along with visual) analysis of that art. This is how I can now appreciated a Feher or Tuttle or Dieter Roth.

Mark,

I have no idea what beauty is, but I know when I see it and when I don't! And of course what you think is beautiful can change... that's the nature of the beast. I just wonder if many of these artists truly believe what they create is beautiful. And if it isn't, then why not? You know, what's their reasoning for not pursuing beauty?

Probably the aspect that both Modernism and Postmodernist art activities share is the elevation by the artist of what may not be deemed socially "beautiful" as beautiful, interesting,elegant,profound (whatever word you use). I personally think that a more sustaining experience (in terms of viewing and making art) is a combination of an intuitive bodily response (call it joy?) and an intellectual engagement. Now, one of the intersting things is that both enhance each other in many ways. Yes there are artists trying to be "edgy" for its own sake, for the market, for the fame, whatever. These are , to my estimation, the minority, and even when one is spotted (upon closer inspection) you find that there is actually something there. An open mind isnt "cool" its liberating and life enriching.

Omigosh, I am not implying anyone here has a closed mind! I have learned all too well how easy it is to be misunderstood with web communication.

I think when you are truly open-minded you start to make fewer choices, and more decisions, clearly because the choices you make pertain to you: get whatever you are doing right.

Choices that are boundless can be so misinterpreted. But it's true! We don't need prescriptive notions to guide a new vision. A clear, exciting, vision is quite enough. Then no matter how ugly, putrified, the result may appear the choice made represents the core of beauty in the arts, the marriage of artist and their expression.

Beauty needn't be so unanswerable either. Take a wild stab and in minutes you figure what's wrong with your assumptions. Enough stabs the finer, the wilder, they'll get.
It may end up as a frustrating exercise, but, I bet, you'll be better off for it, and extremely, much more equipped to go out there with whatever you have to offer as a unique delivery.

I decided to comment on your comments on my own blog... And finally posted the 'bring back beauty' manifesto. While I agree that there is (and should be) a wide definition of what 'beauty' is, I also agree that you know it when you see it. One thing to keep in mind is the separation between subject matter and the artistic creation. A work of art can be beautiful even if the subject matter is ugly. I think beauty is less of a 'pleasing on the eye' than an emotional response.
Depending on one's opinions of art critics or theorists, Danto's 'The Abuse of Beauty' and Kuspit's 'The End of Art' are two good places to further explore modern and contemporary art. I marked many pages in 'The End of Art'. Kuspit calls much of contemporary art "post-aesthetic" and "bully pulpit in-your-face". Yummy I will have to read that again (even though I just read it in July/August) and blog it. Thank you JT for keeping the discussion going. Let's not stop here...

I personally like the thoughts of Dave Hickey. He had been much maligned by acedemia for mentioning the "B" word. I appreciate his distintion between "Beauty" and the "Beautiful", the latter being more of the socially constructed "everyone agrees this is beautiful" kind and the former being more of an innate personal response. I would imagine this is in agreement with "know it when you see it" kind of thing. I like his atttitude and way of presentinging the subject. It is much less "end of art", or "the sky is falling" dogma of Kuspit. Hickey just reminds us that its really no big deal, human beings seek joy, they are attracted to "beautiful" things because they enhance joyful experience. He said that beauty isnt the end of a work of art, its the beginning from which other types of engagements can be made. In my own work I strive for focus and clarity while at the same time keeping a wide angled view on the types of materials and presentations to use. It is a razor's edge no doubt but one that for me fends off "boredom" and stagnant routine.

ALso, a "bring back the beauty" manifesto is not needed by my estimation. At art basel and the other fairs I saw countless beautiful things. Beauty never went anywhere. This is what Hickey tried to remind everyone. So many academics resisted because it is a danger to think of the "beautiful" in universal terms- there is a lot of ethnic cleansing type baggage that goes along with that. But beauty can safely exist within a construct of our own personal response as an individual. Making pronouncements and manifestos is fun! But taken to the extreme means that you are ascribing your personal tastes on everyone else.

Mark -
I both agree and disagree on the need for a 'bring back beauty' manifesto (I can do that right?) I have seen a lot of beautiful work in the galleries in chelsea, so it is there. At the same time the actual meaning of a manifesto is merely "a public declaration of intentions" so it doesn't really imply that anyone else has to agree. What it does do (one hopes) is call together those who might share ones beliefs. That certainly doesn't mean that I won't go look at artwork that I don't like or don't agree with. That is a very closed minded way to approach anything, and ultimately leaves one putting forth flat, uninformed thoughts and work.
I also tread carefully since a lot of the statements above are broad generalizations.
Will read up on some of Hickey's commentaries to see what he has to say.

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