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Tuesday, August 02, 2005

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Wow, that's a pretty hard-hitting review which I'm sure is going to ruffle some feathers. I may disagree with some of Amy's assessments, but I have to admire her honesty.

One thing I do disagree with is the statement "It may sound like a counterintuitive statement to make about such a sculptural work, but Expanse is the best painting in the show." I don't disagree with the sentiment expressed about the quality of JT's work -- I happen to think it's great. However, I'm not sure about the "painting" part.

I've heard JT describe his work as painting, and that has always puzzled me. The wood coloration and grain may have painterly qualities. But don't you have to use paint, even just a little, to qualify as painting?

Maybe I'm too hung up on semantics or too rigid in my thinking about the boundaries of painting, but I'm having a hard time getting my head around this one.

Yeah, it is hard-hitting! I love it!

About "painting." First question: what is paint?

I'm glad someone finally broached this subject. Let's run with it!

OK I'll bite. Paint is pigment suspended in some sort of fluid binding agent.

I'll second Joseph's definition.

I'd also love to hear Amy's explanation of the statement.

OK, "fluid binding agent." But we all know that paint (on a "painting" at least) rarely stays fluid. It hardens right?

Next question: This is more of a to-think-about question... what causes the various colors in wood?

Since that isn't a question to really answer, here's a different one: who must "apply" the paint to be a painting?

Additional food for thought: look at the nearest wall. It's painted right? Is it a painting? Why or why not?

I feel like I've triggered some diabolical trap, but I'll keep going nonetheless.

"who must "apply" the paint to be a painting?" - the painter/artist. I suppose there are situations where the "artist" directs others, but even then somebody is applying the paint at the artist's direction.

"look at the nearest wall. It's painted right? Is it a painting? Why or why not?" It's probably not painting, because there's no intention to create a painting. The intent is simply to cover a wall.

Now here's a question for you: why do you want your work to be considered painting?

No traps here, Scott! It's safe.

In terms of "who" must apply the paint, what do you think about Nature applying the paint?

As for the second question, we've established that intent makes the painting vs. a wall. So, think of land art. Think of the contextualization of nature.

No fair! You can't ask questions! But since you did... it's not so much that I "want" my work to be considered painting. It's more that I do consider my work painting. I don't really care what you consider it to be as long as you enjoy it. And I don't view it just as painting. I obviously see sculpture, but also drawing. I think that's why it functions so well. It really crosses the lines of all three genres. Some pieces are more painterly while others are more sculptural.

One more question from me: when you think of typical painting, what does it look like? What's the size and proportion?

I'm glad the review is generating discussion. It's just my opinion, and I think other people have opinions just as valid as mine, so don't take anything I write as me thinking it's the end all and be all... if that makes sense. I prefer the conversation!

So if it isn't a painting, is it a drawing? A sculpture? Is there a better word?

I'm not totally married to the word painting here, but lack a better term maybe. I could have said it was the best "wall piece" but that sounds lame, and too general.

Lucio Fontana poked holes in his canvas and slashed them - are these still paintings, because they use canvas?

Are all "paintings" necessarily about the paint? I wouldn't say Fontana's works are about paint at all, even if some of them have been painted.


Amy -

You are about 3 steps ahead of me. I was going to ask a few questions of my own about Fontana (here's a good link: http://www.speronewestwater.com/cgi-bin/iowa/works/record.html?record=1019). I think there is much to be said in regard to his work and like we discussed at Seven, Land Art.

Thanks!

"what do you think about Nature applying the paint?" I guess Nature can apply the paint, but I wouldn't consider that to be a "painting". I'd consider it to be wood or rock or vegetation or whatever.

As far as land art, I guess I'm not drawing the connection. Are you talking about stuff like Spiral Jetty? If so, while I'd consider that to be art, I probably wouldn't call it painting.

"when you think of typical painting, what does it look like? What's the size and proportion?" I can't really answer that. I don't think I've ever thought of a "typical painting" and can't really conjure up one now. I guess if I were really pressed, I'd say: "Something that can fit on most of the walls in my house." Why?

Finally, I'm kind of bummed that you don't "want" your work to be considered painting. I think there could be some interesting reasons to want to force it into that category even though it's a pretty tight fit.

Anyway, I do enjoy your work regardless of whether you call it painting, sculpture, land art or experimental photography. It's good stuff!

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